People are different and the Earth is not flat
When’s the last time you have visited a masjid mostly attended by African American doctors and engineers?
According to a survey by CAIR, African Americans make up about 14% of the North American Muslim population. Accepting these numbers as true (I have no reason to disbelieve them) do African Americans represent a 14% proportion of the business owners, doctors, engineers and other professionals in the Muslim community? Have any of you ever wondered why we, relative to the numbers, see so few of the African Americans owning the halal meat markets, clothing stores and restaurants? Why are so few African American Muslims in professional fields? (Outside of W Deen Mohammed’s community that is)
Even some non-Muslims have begun to take note of the massive have/have-not gap between the Immigrants and the African American Muslims.
The Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars’ report called “America’s Other Muslims” by Boston
College political science professor Peter Skerry said:
“Relations between African-American and immigrant Muslims are strained at worst, wary at best,” he wrote. “Aside from differences of language, culture and national origin, tensions have long been fueled by class disparities. Immigrant Muslims tend to be university-educated and comfortably situated. . . . African-American Muslims are likely to be neither.”
As much as the cultural differences are often stressed by many, I think that this educational divide could the one that makes the most tangible difference.
Much of this educational divide has to do with the fact that many of those from the immigrant Muslim population, especially those from South East Asia, are chosen to come to America specifically because of their brains. Hence a large number of them proportionately will be higher educated, make a lot more money and be able to contribute much more financially to the development of Islamic Centers, Islamic Schools and other Islamic infrastructure.
Although this is right in front of our eyes, we hardly ever think or ponder as to why this is the case and where this may lead to. Ignoring how social class characteristics in a stratified community like ours may actually influence the future generations as well, and could potentially lead to a permanent underclass of African American Muslims. Particularly those outside of W Deen Mohammed’s community, whose community tends to do much better than other African American Muslim communities in education and economics. So much of what I write here does not apply to them.
While it may be true that things such as skin color or social class don’t completely impede things like academic achievement, the collection of characteristics that define social class differences can and do influence the level of that achievement.
For example, parents of different social classes often have different styles of childbearing, different ways of discipline and even different ways of reading to their children. Obviously these differences aren’t consistent or in every single family, but they influence the average tendencies of families from different social classes. And this is no different with the Muslims.
In other words, if an upper class family has a job where they are expected to collaborate with fellow employees, come up with new solutions to new problems, or wonder how to improve their contributions, they are more likely to talk to their children in ways that differ from the ways of the lower class parents whose jobs simply require them to follow instructions.
So children that are raised by parents who are both professionals, and/or business owners will, on average, have more inquisitive attitudes toward any material presented by their teachers at school than the children of working class parents.
As a result of this, the academic achievement of the working class children will, on average, be less than that of middle and upper class children. Then combine that, in the context of African American Muslim children, with the fact that many have poorer health care, and a host of other problems we have already discussed that are all likely to have a palpable effect on them, and when all factors are combined, the differences become huge.
So what does all this mean? It basically means that the children of two Pakistani doctors (for example) are more likely to enter a professional field than the average African American Muslim child, who (culturally) will only be expected to maybe graduate high school.
Then the question becomes…once class is thrown out, why do immigrant children of similar social class consistently out-perform the African Americans in general, much less the Muslim children?
This is where culture comes in. Many of the immigrant groups have a long history of being a tight knit family unit with a culture of achievement, while the African American community has no family unit and a culture of underachievement. That is why we must recognize that these traits are being brought into Islam by the African Americans and take steps to change this trend.
But can culture be changed that easily? What about when the cultures clash?
Should we accept that a certain group of people are going to be more enterprising than others?
A program may fail, not because it is inherently flawed, but because allowances aren’t made for how much people vary. We must frame our programs so that they are based on a realistic appraisal of the responses they will get from people who think differently and come from different social classes, cultures and have different histories.
The condition of a people must be taken into account when we develop our programs. That goes for African American Muslims and any other group and this has been the history of Islam in different countries…except here in America. We cannot continue to import Cairo, Riyadh or Karachi and superimpose it upon people who grew up here and have their own history, their own problems and their own experiences.
The dour and aloof “flat earth” approach that many African American Muslim groups have adopted, as alluded to in the Woodrow Wilson report, has been a disastrous failure. Instead of focusing on things that an African American convert would need to hear and that would lead to lasting and long term changes in their life, this approach focused on things that made their condition in many cases worse or made no improvement at all.
It is not an accident that the more dour and aloof movements tend to draw more ex-convicts and very few college educated professionals. Even when a person does happen to come along who is in college, he is quickly advised to quit, because they are resolutely against higher secular education. Hence is it no surprise that a high number of those in these movements are unemployed/barely employed and/or even on welfare.
Unfortunately, few of them have the vision to see that this methodology has inhibited them, and by extension (whether they recognize it or not) the African American Muslim community as a whole.
So, sadly, we hear stories about how those in these movements notoriously burn out very quickly (some even leave Islam) because these movements have no long term value for a complete Islamic way of life in terms of family and community building.
In other words, while a level of asceticism (for example) is from Islam, it is probably a better idea to preach the virtues of it to people who are inclined to be work-a-holics and not to stress it to people that are chronic underachievers and who, more importantly, need to hear Islam’s message of hard work and perfecting a thing one is working on.
The good news is that it seems that, alhamdulillah, more and more African American Muslims are seeing now that the “flat earth” approach has failed and are reaching out and getting to know their neighbors, reconnecting with their non-Muslim family members and becoming involved in other social and civic activities in the larger Muslim community and the community at large.
Dr. Sherman Jackson in an article said regarding this subject:
From the outset, the enterprise of Muslim self-definition is complicated by the fact of the heterogeneous make-up of the Muslim community in America. American-born converts (the majority of whom are African-Americans) are a product of American history, as are their hopes, fears, fantasies and proper ambition. They are both repelled by the American experience, by virtue of their history as a marginalized minority, and attracted to it, by the virtue of their connection to a uniquely rich Afro-American historical and cultural tradition. Their search for a boa fide Muslim identity is still in its exploratory stage. To this point, however, the record of successive turns and turnabouts has proved one thing if nothing else: Whatever this Afro-American-Muslim identity turns out to be as a final product, if it is to be life-affirming as opposed to a paralyzing agent, it will have to embrace, however discriminately, rather than ignore the reality and history of African-Americans, just as effectively as it fortifies for them the boundaries between Islam and non-Islam.
Until we start to recognize and become realistic about these problems, the anger, the hurt and animosities will continue to grow. And the African American Muslims will continue to suffer the most.
Filed under: Black American Muslims, Convert Issues, Race, The Culture of Denial and Pretense




Shouldnt we look to the WD Mohammad community to try and find answers. I used to get caught up in the theological differences I had with them but they are doing some really great things. I think more study should be done on the direction Imam WD Muhammad has taken the community and take the good things from what they do.
Oh and another comment is that the Muslim community as you said is highly affluent due to the immigration policies of America. Not saying that they dont come with good work habits and busines skills from just being immigrants. But I realized that they can have the same problems we have, just go to Europe. In England South Asian Muslims have very similar problems as the Black commuinity in US. Drugs, poverty even out of wed lock births are problems there so its not like success is inate with being South Asian.
I agree sister, I think that when it came to WD Mohammed’s community, many have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.
Tariq, I got to hand it to you brother. This is a great blog and you write some great articles that are really well thought out. You give me an insight, as a white convert, that I didnt get before. It is my experience, out here in the ‘burbs, that Muslims life in the US is highly segregated. You have your Arab mosques, Indian/Pakistani/Bengali mosques, African mosques and inner city African American mosques, and people go where they best fit in. Except of course for us white converts, we dont really fit anywhere, but tend to gravitate towards the Arab or Indian/Pakistani mosques.
Even at the mosques that are a bit more integrated after prayers everyone drifts over to the pockets of “their people” and then home. This isnt very welcoming for new Muslims, nor is it for us seasoned Muslims who might not happen to know anyone there at the moment. Where do you go when there isnt a group that represents you?
Back to the African American class issue. I dont want to make any comments that might be perceived as racist, and I hope they arent taken that way. It is my impression that mainstream African American culture does not value education, learning, school, hard work, or getting ahead. I hope I am not sounding too Bill Cosby here, but I have heard it before, African Americans who talk with proper grammer are called Uncle Toms and accused of wanting to be white and being sell outs, and then the community complains when these educated folks pull up stakes and abandon the black community.
I have three children, one of the way, Insha’Allah. One is a teenage girl, the other a teenage boy. They are both Middle Eastern in background, but like many such kids here in the USA, look to popular black culture as inspiration. I hear these same ideas echoed in their thoughts, learning, speaking right is a “white thing.” Being educated, that is white, libraries, they are for white people. Any education, knowledge, learning is seen as a sell out to white society.
I try to explain to them that by thinking such way, they and the African American community, is simply living up to the stereotypes set up for them by the white power system here in America. By living this way they are grooming themselves to be the low wage slaves of today’s society and pretty much ensuring their children will end up the same.
I dont know what to do about it. It saddens me. I work with highly educated African Americans, and I can tell you they havent sold out anything, but I think their links to the black community in general are little because of the way they are treated by large segments of their own community. Education is the key, it isnt a sell out, better put, it is an Islamic imperitive. In Islam you are commanded to seek knowledge even if it takes you to China.
Again, wonderful blog!
Ya Abaa Sinan
Barak Allahu feekum and I appreciate your comments about my blog.
To be honest with you, and I know that white converts have their own problems and obstacles, but I have noticed as a whole, the white converts do a much better job on the whole of coming in and contributing to the community and the Ummah (See brothers such as Ibrahim Hooper for example) to be such a small number. This is because they don’t have the culture of underachievement holding them back.
I don’t see anything wrong with you as a white brother pointing these things out, because it is true. That is part of my point. But I suppose it holds more weight when an African American says it. Different people have different types of problems they are bringing to the table.
It is my hope that leaders in the community will be able to pick up this mantle and begin to do something about it, Insha Allah
Thanks again, and keep in touch, Insha Allah…
salaam,
The thing that WD’s community has is the history of the NOI. Alot of the people in there were with him in the NOI. And the general work ethic and financial concern that they were taught then they have now. But alot of their problems are also inherited from that movement.
Its like you said people have thrown out the baby with the bathwater in regards to this community. The work ethic and secular educational push must be cultivated without destroying the religon.
Muhammad-Nur
Assalamu alikeum
Umm Abduallah: I have to correct you on that point you made about the south asian community having the same problems as the black community in the US. As someone who's lived in england for 17 yrs (im 20 yrs old) along side south asians, I can tell you, south asians in the u.k in no shape or form can EVER be pallered to the u.s black community or even the british black community. Yes they are starting to have some problems with some of the younger generation in particular the bangedeshi community which tends to be much poorer and disadavantaged compared to pakistanis and indians but they are still in a much better position then u.s blacks and u.k black (caribbeans).
Tariq: I found your post here via Umar lee's blog and i have to say, your posts are pretty exceptional. Mashallah. I really enjoy reading what you gotta say. All of what you have written mirrors exactly the situation amongst the african carribean community (muslim and non muslim) in the U.K. So much so, that you could replace african american with african caribbean and your posts would still be on point! Their history is pretty simalar to yours, in the sense that many came to the u.k as slaves and those who didnt were slaves in the caribbean. Even after they got their freedoms, the caribbean was still largely under the control of europeans/americans, later the british. A large proportion of caribbeans in the 1950's came to work in britian from their countries (which were part of the british commonwealth- some are stil part of it today) in mainly serivce - although many were often drafted into britian during the major wars (ww1/2, crimean war etc.). They suffered racism in every direction, police brutality, lived in poor housing conditions and their children were offered poor education. Although we dont have 'projects' in the u.k, we do have 'estates' which are goverment owned homes/areas offered to those on welfare or on low income. Many black familes were also dumped into those areas too. I could go on and on, but i think i'd be repeating much of what you've said, so i'll move along to my other point/comment.
from what you've written, the african caribbean muslim community is definatly resembling/facing the same issues as A.A muslims as well. Although they're not as large as the african american muslim community (the A.C population in britian is around 1.6 million overall- the muslim population within that is proabably no more then 100,000? or maybe thats too large i dont know) but they are growing as more of them are turning to islam.
Many of them have also started to adaopt a partcular brand of salafi style. I aint got nothing against salafis beacuse to follow the salaf is to follow the quran and sunnah, but the particular brand thats been promoted is like you said, seeing many brothers and sisters do things which are bring promoted as islam, which arent nessacrly. Like you mentioned education, work etc… are being devalued amongst some of these groups. You have sisters quitting their jobs because their told its haram to work. Sisters quitting school (and then telling you to quit) because school/uni is haram for women (funny how it aint haram for men lol). Sisters been told that they shouldnt got out because they might cause fitnah (i thought wearing hijab meant so that we could go out whilst covering our awrah amongst non maraham men?), or being told that women MUST wear black because thats the sunnah (nah, thats just khaleeji style lol) or that wearing anything but black will cause fitnah (we women might as well not exists lol cos some folk aint ever gonna be satisfied) etc.. blah blah blah (you know the rest lol). Also, some of these brothers are seeing no need to go back to school or reducated themselves (if they arent) and get a job. Instead, wifey and kids get put on welfare while they 'study the deen' (like you cant do both?!)
*sighs* The list is just too damn long. I think part of the reason is due to these brothers and sisters being influenced but south asian/arab versions of islam (which is really in many cases a cultrally interapted way). Many of them are so new to the deen and so ethusiastic about being muslim, that they jump into everything with two feet and so quickly as well. Some of them (particualary the young guys who are turing to islam in large numbers especially in the inner cities) are been told that their background is kufr and so they start to adopt asian/arab ways because they think that thats what islam is, being an arab! There views start to change and they in many ways become more harsh (some of the brothers especially in their views towards women) then the asian/arabs that taught them.
My friend was telling about an old friend of hers that married to one of these type of brothers. Appreanlty he's interaparated the ayat in the quran which says thats its better for women to stay at their home as a cue to not let her out compleatly. He only has ONE set of which are his (which he takes when he goes to work) and she cant go out until hes back home which is around 5pm. Now who taught my brother that hey? Ooh, could it be one (out of thousands) of those freshie asian imams who talk about women as if they're dogs on leashes, who dont let their women go out to the masjid, who often arranage their daughters marriages without telling their daughters? Yep!
Not all of the AC muslim community are like that. There are some AC brothers and sisters in the same position as yourself, Izzy mo, etc.. who try to address these issues and see whats happening to the AC muslim communities and the cultural influences coming from the east.
Maybe you need to start a trans-atalantic movement between the two communities, cos your both facing the same crisis and issues and could proabably give each other better advice then an outsider can.
salaam Tariq,
did you ever read Amy Chan’s “World on Fire”? She writes about how globalisation, far from Friedman’s “flattened world” and Fukuyama’s “Last Man” (of liberalised democracy) has actually accentuated and increased ethnic conflicts and tensions, as different ethnicities deal with increased trade and social mobility differently. Russian Jews and Filipino Chinese are two of the examples she puts forward, though she has a good articulate argument.
I also remember speaking with some brothers in the Hijaz and on Hajj about how, at 14% of the muslim population in North America, African-American muslims are also the essential pivot of an “American Muslim identity”, being both indigenous (though not by choice) and strongly-rooted Americans. W.D Mohammed, whatever differences he has, are less than some ethnic communities - namely Indian and Arab political/’religious’ organizations - bring ‘to the table’.
God help us - as I noted in a comment that somehow got lost while being posted at Izzy Mo’s blog (hey there, sorry) - it’s sad that the community that should be guided by the Qur’an (“We created you of different tribes and nations [sharr wa qabila] that you might understand one another, not that you might despise one another”) and the Sunnah (”All of you are from Adam and Adam is from dust; the white is not superior to the black and the black is not superior to the white, except by taqwa“)… is today so clearly lacking in consciousness.
Perhaps we need to remember brother Malcolm, and the sacrifices of his community?
Thank you sister “Muslim gal” for your kind words.
As far as university is concerned, the African American men and women are both told to quit.
However, ironically, because of the situation many African American sisters are left in taking care of the children, they are forced to go to college or get some skill. This has left a situation where the African American Muslim women are more educated and earning more than the men (just as it is with the AA non-Muslims) leaving the situation Izzy Mo has discussed on her blog
Salaam ‘Alaikum
I don’t believe the 14% number myself (what a tiny little point to nitpick on, but there it is). Speaking only for myself, if a survey on these issues comes from those big mainstream organizations, I tend not to trust the numbers. My personal experience in the past is that there are masajid that are plain ol’ left out when those numbers are being gathered. I’m not saying it’s malicious, I’m saying it stems from ignorance (not being aware of the presence of these masajid, for example).
It is estimated that there are more than 2 million Black American Muslims, going by the memberships in TMC and other things… if the American Muslim community is 8 million at best (I don’t believe this # either), but more likely 6 million, that adds up to more than 14%.
I know right now I’m feeling angry and fed up w/ certain segments of the Muslim community, but I honestly believe that there are people who want to downplay the number of Black Muslims and their achievements and the fact that they were becoming Musim before the immigration laws changed, and even before the NOI popped up. I really believe that.
wa alaykum as-salaam Dawud
No I haven’t read it yet…That sounds pretty interesting.
As for the differences, I used to be a “flat-earther” on this issue myself, until I just began to see far too many similarities in city after city from these brothers that are following movements that are harmful to themselves, their families and their communities
Certainly all regardless of ethnicity are my brother or sister, but that does not mean that we deny differences in the way people think and react to things.
wa alaykum as-salaam
Umm Zaid
If the percentage of African American Muslims is higher, then this makes the situation all that much sadder.
assalamu alikeum
I read that the percentage of african american muslims was around 33% and that they made up the second largest group of muslims after the arabs. It was a study i found on african american muslims.
“However, ironically, because of the situation many African American sisters are left in taking care of the children, they are forced to go to college or get some skill. This has left a situation where the African American Muslim women are more educated and earning more than the men (just as it is with the AA non-Muslims) tariq”
Yes thats soo true brother. Its also the same here. Black women not only educationally acheive better then black men but are also moving up in terms of upward social mobility. And this is causing major gender conflicts between black men and women, regardless of religion.
“My personal experience in the past is that there are masajid that are plain ol’ left out when those numbers are being gathered. I’m not saying it’s malicious, I’m saying it stems from ignorance (not being aware of the presence of these masajid, for example). um zaid”
You know what sis, i think it is malicious! I’ve heard from many people’s own mouths who dont view black american muslims as proper muslims. They’re all NOI, WD etcc when the majority of them are not. Im not an african american muslim but it pisses the hell out of me! What i have learnt in my short years of existence is that even amongst us muslims, there is still a racial heiracy with black people at the bottom. We can never be the leaders of muslim organisations, be the excutives of masjids- unless its a black run one, be the spokespeople for islam. Anything to do with leadership and ‘power’ so to speak is viturally a no-no for black muslims. Why? because deep down, our fellow brothers and sisters still see us as slaves and plain old n****as! I used to really really believe that there was a brotherhood amongst muslims but expierence has showed me that in many cases its a load of cack!
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Also forgot to mention that the african contribution to islamic civilisations is pretty much ignored. Not because it doesnt exist or theres little on it, but because its from AFRICA and not asia or the arab pennuisala, hence not worthy of mentioning!
Anything that has historically or presently concerned our african muslim brothers (and those from african descent) is shoved to the side. Look at whats happining at Darfur now! wheres the outcry from out muslim ‘brothers and sisters’ on whats happining there? They got all the time in the world to show love and support (physical, spritual and monetarly) for those in Iraq, Palestine and Kashimir (again in asia and arabia) but none for those who die everyday in Somalia, Sudan, Mali, Niger and many more!
pardons, I didn’t mean (or really think) that number was authoritative, just what’s tossed around by ISNA and other groups. I would trust UmmZ’s critique and add that that perception may stem from the deep prejudice still held against NOI folk by many of the ‘followers of the Salaf’, the belief that they’re bound to be off on theology.
muslim gal, you’re right about apathy and ignorance towards Africa by muslims, but that’s an incredible issue across the board. 3 000 dead on 9/11, 300 000 Palestinians over 50 years - and 2 million dead in the Congo over 5 years? Why doesn’t this bother people, why isn’t NPR & the BBC & everyone else just boiling over with rage? Partly because it burns out, you report it, and the passive racism/apathy/ignorance returns once again.
the question is not just raising moral outrage, but making it mean something - Bono and Blair lifted hot air balloons of concern at the last G8 conference, but seeing that carried through into action is the key. who’ll hold Blair and Bush’s feet to the fire about their financial commitments - or particularly on trade inequities and fair access to international markets? equitable treatment of small businesses and micro-credit, voices for NGOs…
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One of the problems in the Muslim community in this discussion is that we are discouraged from talking about race because they say "we are all Muslim". Yes, we are all Muslim, but that does not erase issues of culture, class and race. Many African-Americans come in the deen and were raised in dysfuntional homes and dysfunctional environments and then are expected to behave like the sahabah. There has to be a program of re-education when these brothers take shahadah so that they relearn everything from how to walk and talk to people to issues of family relations and it has to be racially targeted and not overly sensitive.
Muslim gal: I know that the situation with south Asians is not as bad as Afr. Americans but there are still significant problems as compared to USA. I dont know if youve ever been here but the immigrant community tends to be relatively wealthy and stable and presents itsself as not having any of the problems that African Americans have. I just wanted to point out that in the UK thats not the case and that these problems can affect any community that is saddled with poverty, low education, low expectations, racism, etc.
Also a significan number of African American Muslims are in the WD Community and theres nothing wrong with that. They are still Muslims, believe in the five pillars. I dont see why immigrants harp on them when they arent different from any other community. Like people focus on the women not wearing full hijab. At least they wear something, the majority of immigrant Muslim women in the US dont wear hijab at all. Its like you said there is definitely a double standard in how the Ummah views those of African descent.
Salaam,
“There has to be a program of re-education when these brothers take shahadah so that they relearn everything from how to walk and talk to people to issues of family relations and it has to be racially targeted and not overly sensitive.”
I totally agree with this approach. There needs to be a all purpose training manual if you will that can be used for the re-education of the people. But there obviously would have to be a wide-scale acceptance of the idea that something like this is needed and then agreement on what needs to be taught therein.
Muhammad-Nur
Two real brief comments (because the wife wants me to shut the computer down
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* I agree with UZ in that I’d guess the African-American Muslim community to be much higher than 14%. I’d guess 33% or so myself.
* As you pointed out, “brains” is what gets people into countries. Many countries, including the US, want immigrants (regardless of their country of origin) coming into the country to have skills that are difficult to find within the native population. Hence the reason why many Muslim immigrants are doctors, IT professionals, etc. I seriously doubt I would have been allowed to become a Singapore Permanent Resident if I didn’t have my MBA.
As salaamu alaikum,
I have to say the disucssion generated from the post is really insightful.
To expand on the point you mention (and JD as well):
“Much of this educational divide has to do with the fact that many of those from the immigrant Muslim population, especially those from South East Asia, are chosen to come to America specifically because of their brains. Hence a large number of them proportionately will be higher educated, make a lot more money and be able to contribute much more financially to the development of Islamic Centers, Islamic Schools and other Islamic infrastructure.”
That is the unfortunate reality of the ‘Brain Drain’ from many Muslim countries. The reason why we’ll find Doctors/Engineers from the South Asian community here in the US is because they we specifically recruited (by visas favoring them) or the simple economic incentive to work/live in the US. The other really factor that exacerbates the growth of South Asian professionals is the demand for doctors/engineer suitors (be it male or female). Therefore, parents in the South Asian community are willing to import doctors/professionals from back home for their daughters/sons. Hence it’s a multiplier effect thats only getting larger.
Tariq
Salam Alaikum,
While I agree with you and Umar about the necessity of re-education, I think your example is flawed when you said:
“Trying to act like these brothers are Pakistanis from a solid Islamic culture and family is a mistake, much less expecting them to act like the sahaabah.”
Anyone that has lived around the Pakistanis knows that they have no ” solid Islamic culture” of any sort. Many of there practices contain traces of Hinduism, and the rest of what may be percieved as “Islamic” culture is no more “Islamic” than the Protestant work ethic that many of us were raised on.
We must seperate things that are guided by the general precepts of the Religion, and those things that are particular to a people and there social norms.
The problem in the African American community is a certain culture of defeatism and under achievement. Negativity has always been associated with success = selling out = not being ‘Black’ enough.
Peculiarly enough I found, while growing up, kids of mixed parentage more sensitive of not being ‘Black’ enough than others. Yet that is another discussion.
To sum up, with all the good that the back to africa and black power movements did in the community, they still left most high and dry, not able to achieve and level of ‘african-ness’ or ‘blackness’ pleasing to the Africans, nor able to cope with the norms of a society that viewed African amercians or was viewed by them as the enemy.
This lead to rejection of even those things which were normal human traits and ethics, and lead to degradation of the self, family, and community.
Thus the “Islamic culture” needed is intergration in social norms of decency, a strong work ethic, and moral responsibilty.
These things are often discussed in Islamic literature not as something particularly “Islamic” but as things that pertain to the “Fitrah” or the natural disposition of the human being which is aligned with good nature and God-consicousness. Islam only reiterates these things, and guides where things may not be “black and white” but instead varying shades of gray.
wa alaykum as-salaam Hood,
I meant that Pakistanis (for example) are from a culture where the people have been Muslim for many generations. That is what I meant by ’solid’. Perhaps I should have used the word ‘muslim’ instead of ‘islamic’
The African Americans have no such advantage
[...] Yes groups of people are different and can be categorized into groups, but No, the broad groups that have traditionally defined “race” as being everyone with a certain skin color being from a mutually exclusive category, never over-lapping is not accurate. [...]
[...] Any of you that have been reading this blog know, I am not one who buries his head in the sand and tries to point out a few notable exceptions in an attempt to make it the rule, while ignoring the mountain of problems that are out there for Black America. [...]
As Salaamu Alaykum
Though I cringed everytime I read the suggestions that we may have something to benefit from the likes of WD, I was reminded of the NOI’s Frusit of Islam (FOI) and Muslim Girls In Training (MGT) classes. These classes did exactly what was proposed above. They also have orientation classes, because they know the reality of the AA communities and face it.
Now if there is a way the sunni/salafi communitites can intergrate such a concept, would be nice.
Umm Adam
[...] Of course children of a higher socio-economic status have a significant advantage as it gives access to more resources, but I don’t think that culture can be simply thrown out the window. For example, even the author herself finds that all the people she interviewed saw education as a family matter, and reported their parents instilled more discipline in them than in children of other backgrounds. Many African-Americans would be blown away at a child that feels like a failure because they “only” got a degree at an average college. [...]
Bismillah, As Salaamu alaikum wa rahmantullahi wa Barakatu
The solution is One, how it is to be administered to the people is different because you must take into account peoples levels and backgrounds. Al Islaam is the solution and when I say Al Islaam I mean the Al Islaam revealed by Allaah to his Messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and practiced and preserved( in the Quraan and Sunnah ) by the Salaf and those who followed them in goodness.
As Far as the group of people called African Americans( and I am one of them ) I think one thing that is messing among “us” is proper Adab, some of “us” have sunnah caps, kuffs, kimars, and thoubs but NO ADAB. We have an Islaamic faith and an Islaamic look but no or little Islaamic character or manners.
Adab is knowledge also; The Salaf had the most excellent character, your claim to be a follower of the Salaf is lacking and incomplete until he/she studies the manners of the people of knowledge. There are many narrations of the Salaf where they would go to the people of knowledge and before learning Quraan Tafsir, or Hadeeth they would examining the Alim’s manners and character.
Adab is more then just shaking hands and smiling it is how you present yourself to the world .We (African American and you can include everyone else in this) need to model our thinking and manners after the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.. sounds simple, but you hardly hear lectures or talks about adab.
We also need to clean these nasty hearts and make them pure Allaah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in there own hearts.
As salaamu alaikum;
The following are texts from emails that were exchanged between myself, and a good Muslim sister that I met over the internet recently. You may find the contexts of the conversations most interesting.
As salaamu alaikum;
I am deeply saddened to hear about your mother, and your cousin. As for your cousin, may Allah forgive him/her his/her faults and grant to him/her the paradise. As for your mother, I pray that Allah makes it easy for her and for you. I know that it is a tough time for you at present…Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiuun.
As for your planned response, you cannot make me like or dislike whatever you have to say about Imam W. D. Mohammed. His record speaks for itself, and his integrity is intake. I am not insecure in this matter, and I doubt it very seriously if Imam Mohammed would be either. I really don’t believe that anything that anyone has negative to say about Imam Mohammed could possibly affect me in the least. So, even if it is your intention to respond with something that you think that I would dislike, or would be uncomfortable with, get it out of your mind whenever you respond. I am not affected by opinions of, or about other people, nor of myself personally. People are diverse, and they are inclined to think the way that they do.
Allah (SWA) tells us in the Quran that: “Every man acts according to his own disposition: But your Lord knows best who it is that is best guided on the Way.”
H.Q., Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #84
I do not wish to seek guidance from any foreigners eluded into thinking that they can teach me this deen. Where were they when we (African Americans) really needed them when we were being strung up on trees by the K.K.K during Slavery times, and the Jim Crowe era. We are taught by Imam Mohammed that Allah (SWA) gave us our own minds to use in judging what is best for us in this religion.
It is He Who has created for you (the faculties of) hearing, sight, feeling and understanding: little thanks it is ye give!
Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #78
But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!
As-Sajda, Chapter #32, Verse #9
And We had firmly established them in a (prosperity and) power which We have not given to you (ye Quraish!) and We had endowed them with (faculties of) hearing, seeing, heart and intellect: but of no profit to them were their (faculties of) hearing, sight, and heart and intellect, when they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah. and they were (completely) encircled by that which they used to mock at!
Al-Ahqaf, Chapter #46, Verse #26
Is it that their faculties of understanding urge them to this, or are they but a people transgressing beyond bounds?
At-tur, Chapter #52, Verse #32
Say: “It is He Who has created you (and made you grow), and made for you the faculties of hearing, seeing, feeling and understanding: little thanks it is ye give.
Al-Mulk, Chapter #67, Verse #23
The Holy Quran is the final decider in all disputations. My suggestion to you concerning Imam Mohammed, is that you should research Imam Mohammed’s works, and stop listening to all of these people who have no real practical knowledge of Quran, Sunnah, prophet Muhammad (SAW), or Imam Mohammed, nor any proof of the negative charges that they bring. The truth is that they don’t accept Imam Mohammed because he is not one of them (Arabs). They feel that if it didn’t come through/from them, the it couldn’t possibly be valid coming from a lowly African American.
I find it to be a real problem when African Americans enter the deen through any other door besides through their own kind, which would be more relative to our own personal experiences. Arabs do not understand our problems as a people, and what we have been through here in America. They can only guide us through their experiences, and their culture. We are not in need of a new ethnic cultural experience. We are in need of Allah’s guidance, mercy, and forgiveness. We cannot achieve that victory by imitating other cultures, and having them to have us to think that that is the religion.
We will never achieve the respect of other peoples until we learn to accept and respect ourselves first. This is what is wrong with us as a people. We don’t even recognize when we are being tricked. We have been tricked for so long, we actually think in a subliminal way that it’s o.k. to be a trick every once in a while. This is not meant for you in a personal way, but it should be a signal to you that perhaps it is time to rethink your position in Al-Islam.
I remember when I was in Medina after my Hajj in ‘89, I noticed that of all the Masajid that was there constructed in the memory of the sahabas, that the one for Bilal was the only one in disrepair. The rest of them were intact. And I thought to myself that racism sticks up it’s ugly head everywhere. It doesn’t even make any difference where in locality, situation, or religion it is. Even though racism is dead…Jim Crowe is dead, we are still living in the residue of racism. I see racism all over the Arab Muslim world, and I can tell you many stories of incidenses that I personally experienced while in Mecca in particular, and in Medina…but more so in Mecca.
There is more that I would like to tell you, but time will not permit me at this time, but if you truly want to learn this religion from a human perspective, from a practical perspective, and from a real Quranic perspective, then I would advise you as a friend of mine to not look to the Arabs for it. Imam Mohammed is the only one who can teach you the true guidance of Quran, and the Sunnah of the Holy prophet Muhammad (SAW). They (Arabs) are all split up into sects (Salafiyyas, a splinter group of the Wahabis included), and Allah condemns the sects in Quran:
As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.
Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #159
Can they be (like) those who accept a Clear (Sign) from their Lord, and whom a witness from Himself doth teach, as did the Book of Moses before it,- a guide and a mercy? They believe therein; but those of the sects that reject it,- the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. Be not then in doubt thereon: for it is the truth from thy Lord: yet many among men do not believe!
Hud, Chapter #11, Verse #17
We did send apostles before thee amongst the religious sects of old:
Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #10
But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #37
But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: each party rejoices in that which is with itself.
Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #53
Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!
Ar-Room, Chapter #30, Verse #32
But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrong-doers, from the Penalty of a Grievous Day!
Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #65
As I stated earlier, we cannot allow ourselves to be duped into accepting this religion as a straight jacket religion as these sectarians would have unsuspecting African Americans to think. They would have you to think that it is a sin to sneeze when you are standing to perform your salat, but that it is honor to strap your self with bombs and blow up yourself with a lot of innocent people standing around you. Allah (SWA) tells us in the Quran:
“…Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful”.
H.Q., Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #185
If He does not intend hardship in fasting, do you think that He intends for hardships for us in any other phases of our lives where He has furnished us a facility to accomodate us in His way?
You are right in saying that it is your right to choose whatever imam you choose to follow, and I am not in the business of denying anyone whom they choose. Whatever gave you that notion? My point for asking you the question of whom your imam was was a follow up from your informing me that you didn’t seemed to have one, since you (as you said) migrated from Masjid to Masjid without giving Bayat (allegiance) to any one of them. As I told you, that is fine to do that, just so long as you have a Masjid that you support as a home, rather than as a temporary landing pad.
Imam Mohammed is not a sectarian, and his only focus is Quran, and Sunnah. That is all that you will get from him. Anything else you won’t get from him, but from the sectarians. What you will get from the sectarians, instead of Islam, you will get “his-lam”, or “their-lam”, which is nothing but allegory. And Allah says in His Holy Book, the Quran:
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #7
Quran settles all arguments. If you bring anything else besides what Allah revealed, He will reject it, and so will I.
Love you for the sake of Allah and self
Abu Bakr Madyun
From: Aminah Tarbal
To: AbuBakr Madyun
Subject: Re: As salaamu alaikum
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:16:23 -0800 (PST)
As Salaamu Alaikum
My Brother in Islam
Abu Bakr Madyun
Please forgive me for not responding to your Emails. Yes, we are still friends and I have read all of your correspondences. I just have not had time to respond. I am a very busy woman at this time in my life. We just buried my cousin yesterday and my mother is very iIl. She is suffering from complications of congested heart failure. She at this time is very weak and requiring more care than usual. The doctor is treating her from home and is returning to visit her today.
In sha Allah, I will respond to your request but it won’t be in the way you may think or like. Your emam is your emam. Your emam is not of my choosing. I have that right. I do have an emam but whats the point of mentioning his name? You don’t know him. I also listen to lectures of many emams whom are on the correct menhage. I have listened to W D’s speeches in the past and I was not impressed. His has congregations all over this country and there are many African American Muslims here in America that don’t follow his lead. Most of the younger generation consider them as ” OLD HEADS”. This is not coming from me this is what is being said. As you have mentioning in your mails that people do say things about him and I have also heard things.
I am very concerned about deen and where I get my knowledge. Age, status and financial wealth have no importance when it comes to seeking knowledge. In marriage,
these three things will disappear including beauty. The only thing that will remain is knowledge of this deen.
While I was writing this email the doctor came they are now sending her to the hospital, she is not doing well please make dua. I am not talking about your deen you seem be be very intelligent. May Allah SWT help us all Ameen.
Love you for the sake of Allah
Aminah
AbuBakr Madyun wrote:
As salaamu alaikum, my dear sister;
I pray to Allah that I am finding you in peace, prosperity, and in high
spirits. I am also hoping that your mother is doing well. My purpose is to
reconfirm our friendship. I am in hopes that it is intact, and that it is a
lasting one. That being said, I do hope, Insha Allah that this e-mail is
accepted in the correct spirit.
I am still waiting for a reply from you to confirm for me why you believe
that Imam W. D. Mohammed has not exemplified anything other than the life
example of the prophet Muhammad (SAW), and the teachings of the Quran.
Believe me…I’ve heard everything. But…Oh well…they even criticized all
of the prophets, including prophet Muhammad, Jesus, and others. Certainly,
someone lesser in office who carries the same message is not exempt. I am
saying this in this way so that you won’t think that I am trying to place
Imam Mohammed in the same ranking as the prophets such as his critics have
accused him.
Once again, I’d like to reiterate to you that he is not an object of worship
for me. Allah (SWA) is my Lord alone. If I were to set a man up as my lord,
then certainly I would be accused of committing shirk (setting up other
deities with Allah) of which Allah (SWA) does not forgive. However, I do
accept him as the Imam over my ummat, as we all must have an Imam. Sister?
Who is your Imam?
Your Brother in the Deen;
A. B. Madyun
As salaamu alaikum;
Masha Allah…my belief is that I made a mistake in cutting you off so abrubtly as I did in our conversation. Allah is the most Merciful of those who show mercy…surely if Allah shows mercy to us, then we are duty bound to show mercy to one another. As you probably can tell, I do not like to wrangle. Given the depth of the situation of death in your family, it probably was not a good time for us to talk. These are times when we become most irrational in our decisions. When do you think is a better time for us to talk?
I want you to know that, as I told you in our conversation, that you have a right to believe the way that you do. Sometimes it becomes a case of symantics (I hope I spelled that right, Insha Allah), where you say potautoes and I say potatoes. Neither one means a hill of beans. Nonetheless, your concerns are valid. Your concept of Imam Mohammed is not, and when you have time, I would like for you to site any instance where Imam W. D. Mohammed has not exemplified in his teachings, or his character, the Quran, or the Sunnah of prophet Muhammad (SAW). I am convinced that most people who tell me the same thing, have a biased view of what the Imam says, or does because it is not in line with their own personal desires. I am not saying this, necessarily, about yourself.
Most of the time, when African Americans fall under the Islamic views of the immigrant Muslims, they take on the same nebulus mind set as their teachers. In the teachers’ minds eye, everyone is wrong but them because they don’t wear sandals and dhikr beads with a long beard, and hide their women like the immigrants do. To some people, these things (Bida) is in the Quran, Sunnah, and Hadith of the prophet Muhammad (SAW), and the Quran has to back all things that were said and did by the prophet. However, when you go to the Quran, all of these beliefs cannot be found, and the Quran is the ultimate proof for any argument as I am sure you will agree.
About Imam W. D. Mohammed, the Quran states:
“…Let there arise out of you a band of people
Inviting to all that is good’
Enjoyning what is right,
and forbidding what is wrong:
They are the ones
to attain felicity”.
“…ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind,
enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and
believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had
faith, it were best for them: among them are some
who have faith, but most of them are perverted
transgressors”.
H.Q. Chapter #3, Ayats #104,..#110
If you can specifically site to me where Imam Mohammed has done anything other than what Allah Has admonished all believing Muslims to do, then I will cheerfully submit to what you have.
Again, I do not like wrangling. I like to discuss differences in an intelligent manner, which is the best way to argue, as Allah (SWA) in the Quran extolls us to do. Allah tells us:
“Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and Argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance”.
(An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #125)
I look forward for your response, my sister in the deen.
ASA
A. B. Madyun
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As salaamu alaikum
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